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Reflecting on the feds' reversal on offshore drilling policy

Friday 18 March 2016 at 2:38 pm.

When Gov. Pat McCrory sat on a makeshift stage on the north end of Hatteras Island on a clear, spring-like  morning, March 8, celebrating the groundbreaking for the Bonner Bridge replacement, a small plane made maybe a dozen passes overhead, trailing a banner that said, "Oil drilling is bad for business. Not the answer NC.org."

The irony was not lost on many of the Outer Banks residents and officials in the crowd.

The governor has been one of the most vocal proponents of offshore  drilling since the Obama administration announced that it was opening up sections of the Atlantic off the southeast coast for oil and gas leases and then released a draft proposal in January 2015.

Many residents and government officials in Dare County have been among the most vocal opponents of the plan, and many of them were at the groundbreaking ceremony.

Dare and neighboring counties passed resolutions opposing offshore drilling, and local residents and others who love the beaches organized in groups, distributed yards signs, burned up the social media with messaging, sent thousands of comments to federal officials, and, yes, flew a banner over public events.

When a reporter asked McCrory after the event if he still favored oil and gas exploration off the coast, the governor declined to comment.

"I’m not going to divert the attention off this incredible accomplishment,” McCrory said after the groundbreaking, adding that he did not notice the banner being flown above the site.

Just one week -- seven days later -- quite a few opponents and proponents of offshore drilling were taken by surprise when the Obama administration suddenly reversed course.

On Tuesday, March 15, in a conference call with reporters,  U.S. Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell and Bureau of Ocean Energy Management Director Abigail Ross Hopper announced a revised proposal for the nation’s Outer Continental Shelf Oil and Gas Leasing Program for 2017-2022.

The proposed program does not schedule any lease sales in the mid- and south-Atlantic areas, a decision based on strong local opposition, current market factors and conflicts with competing commercial and military ocean uses. 

“This is a balanced proposal that protects sensitive resources and supports safe and responsible development of the nation’s domestic energy resources to create jobs and reduce our dependence on foreign oil,” Jewell said. “The proposal focuses potential lease sales in areas with the highest resource potential, greatest industry interest, and established infrastructure. At the same time, the proposal removes other areas from consideration for leasing, and seeks input on measures to further reduce potential impacts to the environment, coastal communities, and competing ocean and coastal uses, such as subsistence activities by Alaska Natives.”

The Interior Department said it received more than a million comments on the draft proposed program, released in January 2015. Input came during 23 public meetings and outreach with members of the public, nonprofit organizations, industry, elected officials and other interested parties across the country.

“Public input is paramount to our planning process, and the proposal benefits from extensive stakeholder engagement,” said Hopper. “We will seek additional input from citizens, industry, other federal and state agencies and elected officials as we develop the proposed final program.”

“Today is an incredible day for the oceans,” Randy Sturgill, senior campaign organizer for the southeast with the environmental group Oceana, a leader in the opposition movement, told the Coastal Review Online.

Matt Walker, co-chairman of the Outer Banks chapter of the Surfrider Foundation, told Coastal Review Online that the overwhelming opposition to Atlantic drilling was a great illustration of coastal residents and officials coming together “to protect their own” – their livelihoods, their environment and their quality of life.

Dare County, he said, was one of the first local governments in the state to oppose the lease sale. Tourism is a multi-billion-dollar industry in North Carolina, and Dare is one of the top destinations in the state for tourists because of its clean, unspoiled beaches.

“This is a victory for the people of the Outer Banks,” Bob Woodard, chairman of the Dare County Board of Commissioners, said in a prepared statement.  “I am proud that our community took a strong and united stand against offshore drilling.”

 “It’s proof that good ol’ grassroots organizing makes a difference,” Sturgill said.  “We took that, built upon that. We never really changed our strategy.”

Local opposition from residents and community leaders – thousands of letters, petitions, phone calls, public comments – worked its way up the bureaucratic ladder all the way to President Obama’s office, Sturgill said.  It was a bipartisan effort, with 110 municipalities on the East Coast passing resolutions opposed to drilling. Only two counties in North Carolina – Carteret and New Hanover – passed measures in support.

Coastal Review Online noted that Surfrider made anti-drilling lawn signs available for residents to post in their yards, and both Oceana and Surfrider paid for banner planes with anti-drilling messages to fly over areas holding big outdoor events.

“We have certainly heard from coastal communities, generally about their opposition,” Jewell said. “This is not a big reversal. Basically, this is exactly how the process is intended to work.”

For the Outer Banks, this is the second time that grassroots organizing to oppose big oil companies has worked.

In 1989, Mobil Oil Corp. announced a plan to drill an exploratory well off Cape Hatteras.  Outer Banks residents were shocked and then concerned enough to organize to oppose the idea.

The group they organized, named Legasea, galvanized public opinion on the Outer Banks and eventually coastal North Carolina against the idea of drilling off the Cape.  There was no Internet back then, but the group members used many of the same tactics -- bumper stickers, buttons, T-shirts, many meetings, and many trips to Raleigh -- and, eventually, Washington, D.C.

Eventually, with the support of North Carolina's governor and other officials, they prevailed and Mobil went away.

Twenty-five years later, those who fought Mobil are now grandparents, who were joined in the fight against the Obama administration's plan for opening up the Atlantic for oil and gas leases by their children and grandchildren.

Somehow it's gratifying to know that grassroots organizing really can work -- big business and big government do sometimes listen to the will of the people.

In the case of the plan that was ditched this week, it didn't hurt that the military opposed the leases and the price of gas has plummeted, but it's clear that the people who opposed oil and gas drilling because of the threat to our tourism industry and our beautiful beaches played a major role.

The governor was not amused.

“President Obama’s total reversal can only be described as a special political favor to far-left activists that have no problem importing energy resources from countries hostile to the United States,” McCrory said in a prepared statement. “What’s more troubling is the President is closing the door before he even knows what resources can be harnessed in an environmentally sound way. Unfortunately, the Obama administration’s deal could ultimately cost North Carolina thousands of new jobs and billions in needed revenue for schools, infrastructure, dredging and beach re-nourishment.”

Nor was the petroleum industry.

In a statement from the American Petroleum Institute, an oil industry trade group, president and CEO Jack Gerard said that the administration is going against the will of voters and state political leaders.

“The decision appeases extremists who seek to stop oil and natural gas production which would increase the cost of energy for American consumers and close the door for years to creating new jobs, new investments and boosting energy security,” Gerard said. “This decision stunts the safe and responsible path to securing the domestic energy supplies future generations of Americans will need.”

I am not going to start listing all of the reasons that make drilling for oil and gas off the coast a bad idea.  Coastal Review Online did a terrific job with that in an award-winning series of articles that the news service published last summer.

Even though Coastal Review Online is published by the North Carolina Coastal Federation, which opposed oil and gas drilling, the writers and editors make every effort to provide balance in their coverage -- and they usually succeed. The series on offshore drilling is extremely well done, and you can read all of the stories on the CRO website, http://www.coastalreview.org/category/specialreports/offshore-drilling-series/. The Island Free Press reprinted many of them last summer.

We all value the unspoiled beaches on Hatteras and Ocracoke and no one wants to see them drenched in oil. That's a big reason to oppose oil and gas drilling, but certainly not the only one.

"There are ways to create jobs, revenue, and energy in North Carolina, but offshore drilling is not the answer," according to the website, www.nottheanswernc.org.

It is seriously questionable whether North Carolina would see the economic benefits touted by the governor and the oil and gas industry -- for a number of good reasons.  Just to name a few -- the federal government generally opposes sharing the tax revenue from oil and gas with the states, oil and gas reports on estimated revenues are seriously just estimates, and many think the really lucrative jobs, if there are any, will go to big ports such as Hampton Roads to our north.  Perhaps some might benefit Morehead City and Wilmington, which is why government officials in Carteret and New Hanover counties did not oppose the federal leasing proposal.

Most coastal communities, led by Dare County, have thriving tourist economies -- economies that could be put at risk by offshore drilling.  And most don't want to take that chance.

Now back to Gov. McCrory's statement about the Obama administration's doing a favor for "far-left activists."  He's running for re-election and his comments might play well with the electorate in some areas of the state.  But not here.

Opponents of oil and gas drilling off the coast can hardly be described with the broad brush of being a bunch of lefties or liberals or greenies or tree-huggers.

I suppose some of them might be, but as I look around at my neighbors with signs in their yards or bumper stickers on their cars, I don't see a bunch of tree-hugging lefties.  They are a pretty diverse group.

And no one can call the Dare County Commissioners a bunch of far-left greenies!

Let's admit it -- the system worked.

43 comments

W.D. Neal

The faulty assumption that the enviro-nuts used to get just about everyone to oppose off shore drilling is that such activity would LIKELY sully our wonderful beaches and degrade tourism. The probability of that happening is extremely low. So let’s not hear any more complaints about the lack of good high-paying jobs, or our young folks having to move away to make a decent living, or a busted economy, or a deteriorating infrastructure, or the high individual taxes. As always, be careful what you wish for.

W.D. Neal - 19-03-’16 07:28
Jack

Now if we could only get that kind of reversal on the “BIRDS”…

Jack - 19-03-’16 08:34
BB

Thank you for a very comprehensive, informative editorial – and great news! Not just a huge relief, but a breath of fresh air to remind us that people can work together to accomplish something meaningful and good.

BB - 19-03-’16 09:00
diver531

Congrats to all !!! CRO and Irene have done a great job ! Could never understand how the government could even consider drilling off of NPS governed beach’s . Amazing the system did work !

diver531 - 19-03-’16 09:55
woodyobx

Shame the system only works for the big dollar ecoterrorist groups. Incase you didn’t notice gas increased 20 cents the same week, so as some have said be careful what you wish for. As for pristine beaches are you kidding me, that was ruined when the first homes and business were built and NC12 was paved. I hope the OBX is ready cause the largest source of trash and pollution is coming, the tourons.

woodyobx - 21-03-’16 06:32
diver531

Ya know woody without those so called Tourons you probably wouldn’t be able to live on Hatteras .

diver531 - 21-03-’16 17:01
Dave H

The left has again done a successful job of painting the extreme as the norm. Much as King Obama hinted that BP WANTED the Deepwater Horizon debacle to occur. Wherever we have humans involved, there will always be some potential for accidents, and we have to realize that, try to prevent it, and adequately plan for it, not simply refrain from pursuing the energy. Probably a good part of this decision lies in monies given to the administration and their cronies by not only eco-terrorist groups, but by favored industries such as solar and wind producers who stand to gain from a dearth of fossil fuels and need higher energy costs to make their products economically viable. We are already having them forced upon us by federal mandates! Since when does our government actually listen to ordinary citizens? It is truly disingenuous to claim that they do.

Dave H - 24-03-’16 07:10
Guest

Uh, errr… nobody wants the oil, contrary to the Petroleum Institute’s quote. The present oil glut will never go away as the Middle East keeps pumping oil while it still has any value. Industrialized countries are moving away from oil quickly and China is setting the pace. In 10 years almost every new car and truck sold will be electric. This isn’t an an “ecoterrorism” issue but, rather, how the world is moving forward. At one time whale oil was a sought after energy source, but not any more.

Guest - 24-03-’16 11:58
salvo jimmy

I think some are too young or maybe just forgot what happened in the early to mid 1970’s when OPEC throttled down on the oil “spigot”.

I think they still have their hand on the spigot handle.

salvo jimmy - 25-03-’16 14:50
diver531

Salvo… I remember the gas wars …dang we had riots here , car burnings , people were nuts waiting in lines for hours . No thanks !

diver531 - 25-03-’16 18:00
ccb

The entire global economy runs on oil. Shipping? All the polyester in clothing? The components cars are made from? Sporting goods? The list goes on and on. I’m with Jimmy, OPEC still has their hand on the spigot, just waiting for the right time to pounce once again.

ccb - 26-03-’16 07:36
Point of Order

Guestfish,

There you go again.

1. The oil glut will go away as soon as OPEC stops pumping, which is only being done in an attempt to kill the US shale oil market.

2. “China oil demand to grow 4.3 percent in 2016: CNPC research”
Tuesday, 26 Jan 2016 (Reuters)

3. “Despite their rapid growth, plug-in electric cars represented 0.1% of the one billion cars on the world’s roads by the end of 2015.” (Wikipedia)

4. The world is not “moving forward” in the way that you describe.

While you’re entitled to your own opinions, you’re not entitled to your own facts, and you need to learn the difference.

Point of Order - 26-03-’16 08:22
Guest

Why is it that old order extremists always seem to fight battles that are already over. Mr Point of Order: tear down that obstructionist wall. Never mind, the wall is fallng down and the extremists have already imoliated themselves via this primary season. And please don’t tell me that you really believe that OPEC really still exists beyond name and that so-called OPEC nations llike Saudi Arabia and Iran will will every agree on anything except to fight each other in Yemen. Even Wall Street and the global corporations are running away from fossil fuel as fast as they can, and Saudi is dumping it as fast as it can before it becomes worthless. As for fracking, a pipeline will be needed for any hope of exporting, and fracked oil costs over 300 percent more than Saudi oil wells, which can be pumped at 2-3 dollars per barrel. Once again, you’re stuck in the past when there was oil wars and corporate Amerca believed in the now false promise of fracking. As for oil use, the now largest consumer countries, the US, China and Western Europe are escaping from the downside as fast as they can. China has to because it is afraid of a revolution because the air is so bad. Both BMW and Mercedes are planning on only selling electric vehicles in less than a decade. Über is going electric with its own fleet and Ford Motor Comany is introducing its own Über-type fleet that 100 percent electric. As for other uses of oil, from synthetic fibers to plastic trash cans, science is producing alternatives that can be mixed on site and aleviate the absurdity and cost found upstream and downstream in the oil discover and production process. In 1900 every one had a horse and buggy. By 1920 the auto industry ruled. Things happen fast. I see nothing but backward thinking and trying to hold back time from posters like Point of Order. Thanks to those involved with keeping our priceless beaches a little bit safer.

Guest - 26-03-’16 15:57
Salvo jimmy

Wonder what is going to generate the electricity for all those electric vehicles.

Salvo jimmy - 26-03-’16 17:13
Guest

Ford Motor Company expects in less than 4 years that 40 percent of all it’s new vehicles sold will be electric. In 10 years, almost 100 percent.
13 new electric models are being introduced over the next couple of years.

Guest - 26-03-’16 17:57
Point of Order

Guestfish,

Doubling-down on your wishful thinking doesn’t change the facts:

“Currently more than 3 percent of new vehicle sales, electric vehicles sales could to grow to nearly 7 percent — or 6.6 million per year — worldwide by 2020, according to a report by Navigant Research”.

(www.energy.gov)

History of the scientific progress made in this field shows that It is highly unlikely that the industry will grow another 93% in only 6 years time.

“Petroleum products include transportation fuels, fuel oils for heating and electricity generation, asphalt and road oil, and the feedstocks used to make chemicals, plastics, and synthetic materials found in nearly everything we use today.”

(www.eia.gov)

At this rate, petroleum products and by-products will likely outlive us all by 50 years.

In closing, calling others names like “extremist” and “obstructionist” for simply pointing out your errors on these topics doesn’t bolster your argument, but rather serves to make you appear angry, callous and petty.

Point of Order - 27-03-’16 08:47
diver531

Salvo …funny how people forget that coal , oil and water are needed in some fashion to drive those turbines . California sure as hell is wishing for some water this year !

diver531 - 27-03-’16 09:01
Guest

Point of order,
Not one single US, Japanese or European auto company has a new internal combustion engine block in the design stage. You better call them quickly to set things straight. Seems like all those companies are too interested in Elon Musk’s giga watt factory so they can leverage emmissions free transportation technology. Call me silly, but I believe more about where they’re investing their money than your flat-earth, obstructionist viewpoints and selected quotes.

Guest - 27-03-’16 13:25
Point of Order

Guestfish,

It seems that you say one thing, but the rest of the world says another:

“For now, though, automakers are planning for a different future. “It will probably be 2040 before we see the internal combustion engine hit a serious decline,” Laslau said. “But the time will come when we’re going to have to pay a premium for a gasoline engine.””

Excerpt from:

Automakers Planning the Demise of the Internal Combustion Engine?
Charles Murray, Senior Technical Editor, Electronics & Test
11/13/2015

(www.designnews.com)

2040 is more than 10 years away, for the mathematically-challenged.

Fossil fuel use isn’t going away any time soon, and all the false claims and name-calling in your repertoire aren’t going to change that.

Point of Order - 27-03-’16 16:01
Guest

Point of Order,
Obviously you went after me first and consistently and will not stop. Get help because I now refuse to play your Trump like bs. Something tells me you don’t even live in Dare County or North Carolina. Maybe you should suport drilling in your own state up north, Anon. Down here, we don’t support offshore drilling off our beaches, and it is agreed upon by most NC coastal residents, Republican and Democrat. And like Irene said—let’s admit it, the system worked. And we’re happy about it.

Guest - 27-03-’16 16:23
Point of Order

Guestfish,

When you cease spreading falsehood as fact, I’ll stop pointing it out.

I’m not a Trump supporter.

Where I live doesn’t matter, as these are “our beaches”, remember?

I don’t support offshore drilling.

…and you’re no less wrong about the timeline of future oil use worldwide.

Happy Easter!

Point of Order - 27-03-’16 17:54
Guest

All of North Carolina beaches and coastal areas are your beaches? Give me a break. Obviously you are not a federalist, but just an anonymous visitor from up north who enjoys trolling in a state that is none of your business. Stick to Pennsylvania. Time will settle this argument. Over and out.

Guest - 27-03-’16 19:29
RMH

Just clear one thing up regarding electricity production, this from the US Energy info admin:

Coal = 39%
Natural gas = 27%
Nuclear = 19%
Hydropower = 6%
Other renewables = 7%
Biomass = 1.7%
Geothermal = 0.4%
Solar = 0.4%
Wind = 4.4%
Petroleum = 1%
Other gases < 1%

RMH - 28-03-’16 11:31
Salvo jimmy

Yep RMH, still a lot of fossil in there, roughly 2/3’s and natural gas was one off shore that was to be looked for.

Salvo jimmy - 28-03-’16 14:22
Guest

Salvo Jimmy,
1/3 non fossil and moving forward at lightning speed. Remember, it
was 2/3 horse and buggy…and then it wasn’t. Change happens in a blink of an eye. The blink is well underway. The power of American ingenuity, innovation and capitalism, once it gets started in a new direction, is absolutely amazing. It makes me want to raise the stars and stripes in celebration at what we can accomplish when we set out mind to it.

Guest - 28-03-’16 16:08
diver531

Guest – agreeing with you technology wise but I think your missing that to make electricity to run that new technology you need all those things RMH listed in some shape or form .

diver531 - 28-03-’16 20:52
Guest

Diver531,
Recent show on national public television tells how now waste treatment plants across America can capture and use the methane gas naturally produced to generate electricity. Estimates are that this can quickly meet 7 percent of America’s electricity needs.This is in the implementation stage right now and not some pie in the sky idea. That’s right poop becomes power. Everything is changing at an amazing rate,but just behind the scenes. We will not see another new fossil fuel power plant built in America. Ever. Welcome to the right-now energy revolution, from power generation to the systems that use it.

Guest - 28-03-’16 22:34
Point of Order

Guestfish,

Here’s a new fossil fuel power plant being built for you:

“CPV Moves Forward with Connecticut Power Plant

03/28/2016

Competitive Power Ventures (CPV) will order two GE 7HA.01 gas turbines with the associated engineered equipment package for installation at its 785-MW, combined-cycle Towantic project in Connecticut.

When complete, the plant will generate enough electricity to power the equivalent of about 800,000 U.S. homes. Fueled primarily by natural gas, the plant will also use ultra-low sulfur distillate as a backup fuel.”

And there is an energy revolution going on in America, but it’s all about a certain fossil fuel:

“The Natural Gas Revolution is ‘Real’

03/16/2016

After years of robust gas production, a rapid shift to more flexible dispatchable power and a steady rise in new gas-fired projects, a new king of power generation is about to be crowned.

It wasn’t that long ago when coal accounted for more than half of the nation’s electricity supplies (between 2000 and 2008). The gap began to close in 2009 as gas prices plunged amid a surge in gas production from U.S. shale formations. This year, the amount of power produced with natural gas is expected to surpass generation fueled with coal, according to a recent report by the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA). If the agency’s projection is realized, it would be the first time power produced from natural gas exceeded coal-fired power production on an annual basis.

The report projects natural gas will fuel 33.4 percent of the country’s power generation in 2016 compared with coal’s 32 percent.”

(www.power-eng.com)

Never say never.

Point of Order - 29-03-’16 14:01
Guest

Point of Order,
You are such a linear thinker with your quotes. If you become analytical and use your nonliner thinking and reseach skills, you’ll realize that every new fossil fuel plant that is “progressing” never ends up getting built beyond the initial engineering plans and ordering of long-term deliverables. Don’t quote me, but I think I remember that this has happened about 30 times in a row without fail, sometimes even after ground has been broken. Would you be interesting in investing in a new oversand bridge that runs through Pea Island? The plans have already been drawn up and equipment ordered and delivered for the connecting road.

Guest - 29-03-’16 17:53
Point of Order

Guestfish,

What you describe as “quotes” are actually facts that soundly debunk your opinions.

You claimed that no new US fossil fuel plants would be built. Ever.

You were proven wrong yet again.

It seems that you are now confusing scrapped coal-powered plant plans with those of natural gas plants, which are booming:

“Burn, baby, burn: North American natural gas gets ahead in generation

New natural gas power plants

In terms of new generation builds, the numbers are staggering. Bentek’s North American Power Plant Databank shows natural gas power plants growing at a rate of 11.8 GW of 2015, 18.6 GW in 2016, 35.9 GW in 2017, and 26.3 GW in 2018. To break these numbers down further: 18.5 GW are under construction, 31.6 GW are in advanced development, 29 GW in early development, and 36 GW planned.

Put simply, North America is planning on building over 90 GW of natural gas generation in over the next four years.”

(www.platts.mcgrawhillfinacial.com)

When you stop presenting erroneous opinions as facts, I will stop pointing them out.

PS: If you’re a betting man, I’m willing to wager the cost of a 2017 CAHA ORV Permit that the CPV/Connecticut Power Plant opens as planned.

What say you?

Point of Order - 29-03-’16 20:31
Guest

Point of Order,
Why is it that you can’t reach conclusions on your own and contribute
to this blog without referencing me? Why are you like a mediocre college student that can assemble quotes on a term paper without coming up with any ideas and fresh thinking on your own? Why do you get your kicks trolling me? Can you contribute your own beliefs without referencing others? Why are you unable to use your own thinking and voice? Is there a reason behind this except for some weird sense of revenge? I don’t know you from Adam, but are you able to control yourself?
” Troll: a person that sows discord on the Internet by being a mental dwarf.”
At this point, I will never respond you again. Get lost, troll.

Guest - 29-03-’16 22:39
Guest

I am so proud to have my own personal troll, but it like I have hit its sensitive spot. Now this troll wants to bet. Everybody know that a troll’s legs are way too short to reach the pedals. Don’t ever bet a troll, or trust one. Their goal is always to create havoc and bad will. Just say troll,
troll, troll and they will retreat to their spider hole.

Guest - 30-03-’16 08:32
salvo jimmy

And as I said before natural gas was one of the fuels to be explored off shore.

salvo jimmy - 30-03-’16 09:24
Guest

“Facts” are a funny thing, especially when used to predict the future and defend an already imbedded idea. Take natural gas power plants, which just a year ago were considered to be a more viable alternative to coal.
The “fact” is that energy companies were commited to a natural gas future. But nobody can predict the future, and things are reversing right now. Who would have guessed $30 oil? Nobody. The “facts” about natural gas were based on affordability due to fracking, but fracking is now unaffordable for frackers, which are fighting for their very existence and losing so far. When things change so do the “facts.” In the end, the future holds no facts right now, but only opinions. It is foolish and mentally deficient to think otherwise. Pulling selective quotes while omitting text from the same authors that included caveats is, at best,
intellectually dishonest and deceptive. Fact is, that is the domain of many online trolls.

Guest - 30-03-’16 10:27
Point of Order

Guestfish,

My, that was quite the series of tantrums you threw between last night and today. Seems like you could use a stroll on the beach.

In your last post, you said “But nobody can predict the future, and things are reversing right now”, where you contradicted yourself in the span of a single sentence.

Pursuant to that topic, you’ve been consistently and erroneously attempting to predict the future as you wish it to be since your very first post, and you’ve been “called out” by other posters besides myself.

When you continually state demonstrably wrong opinions as if they are facts, expect to be called upon to defend your position with citations or “quotes” from sources that prove your stance. That’s the way of the internet, any debate team, and the world in general.

You have yet to do what is a basic requirement of any term paper done as far back as High School, which is to simply cite your sources. Instead, you obfuscate and resort to name-calling, which does nothing to support your position, and tends to bring your credibility further into question.

In summation, there will be no fossil fuel exploration of the NC coast, new US Natural Gas power plants are currently being built, oil consumption in China is rising, electric cars sales are still in single-digit percentiles, overreaching ORV rules have been rolled back in Cape Hatteras, and ground was broken for the Bonner Bridge Replacement on the 8th of this month.

Have a nice day!

Point of Order - 30-03-’16 11:27
Guest

A troll is like Trump—always slinging mud and always having an alternative agenda—this time ORV access and the much needed Bonner bridge, which has nothing to do with our energy future. Keep probing a troll and you’ll discover its real agenda: creating havoc.

Guest - 30-03-’16 12:11
Guest

Thank you Irene for allowing a little creative bantering between Point of Order and Guest. Best of luck to you Point of Order and slap yourself on the back for keeping your own in the debate. By the way, I don’t think ORV rules have changed. And yes, the much needed Bonner Bridge is being built, and the raised road/bridge over all of Pea Island has been scrapped. I hope everyone got a little chuckle with the banter. And POO, let’s agree to never turn this into Yo Mama jokes because I’m just not
good at those.

Guest - 30-03-’16 12:42
Point of Order

Guestfish,

Wow. I’m not sure which personality I’m addressing anymore, but here goes:

If you cease presenting opinion as fact, I guarantee that you’ll not hear a peep from me.

Name-calling only serves to further undermine your credibility.

But then I repeat myself.

PS: We can take up your “ORV rules haven’t changed” fallacy at an appropriate time and place.

Cheers!

Point of Order - 30-03-’16 13:55
Guest

Bring Al with you and drive the beach or yourself.

Guest - 30-03-’16 14:21
salvo jimmy

Story in today’s Daily Press says Dominion has been given approval for a new natural gas plant.

salvo jimmy - 31-03-’16 06:53
TBA

https://www.duke-energy.com/about-us/natural-gas.asp

TBA - 31-03-’16 11:32
Guest

New Tesla Electric Model 3 preorders from consumers for just today: 198,000 and still climbing.

Guest - 01-04-’16 14:06
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Salvo Jimmy,
The big approval is related to only one of several approvals that must be crossed before final approval, according to the article. Right now,
construction is still an absolute no-go. And that’s the rest of the story.

Guest - 01-04-’16 14:24




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